Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Help me out here

O'Reilly apparently said last night that keeping religious beliefs out of science classes is fascism. I'm not kidding. Other people can deal with that. Here's the problem, though. O'Reilly said:
Intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have developed through evolution and that a higher power might be involved.
Explain this to me: Doesn't the argument that life is so complex that it must have been designed by a vast, omnipotent, infinitely more complex intelligence seem to refute itself? Who built that intelligence? And the previous one? Carry this argument out to a million builders...


Blogger Josh Rosenau said...

IDolators generally argue around this by claiming that they just want to detect design, not how the designer came to be.

IDC is a shell game.

9:46 AM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...

It's like a Occam's Razor in reverse.

11:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are correct then schools must not be allowed to teach any of this origins stuff. I mean, the US Supreme Court has ruled out that government can come down on one side or the other when it comes to ultimate and imponderable matters.
Science usually deals, not with ultimate causes, but with proximate causes only. Scientists, like the courts, leave the ultimate to theology. But public educators apparently don't know this, and show a preference for one version only of the ultimate cause of everything. I am left wondering, if design cannot be measured, who declared it doesnt exist? How did they measure it well enough to know?
Also, does your "regression" only apply when it is an infinite regression? What if aliens who always existed designed other aliens who designed humans who designed Mt. Rushmore? Does this finite regression prove Mt Rushmore wasn't designed? Or is it only infinite regressions which are suspect and cannot lead to design.

11:13 AM  

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