Monday, December 19, 2005

And that was hot air escaping from a bloated gasbag

Time for Cheney to get the hook.
Facing tough questions from battle-weary troops, Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday cited signs of progress in Iraq and signaled that force changes could come in 2006.

Cheney rode the wave of last week's parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm.

"From our perspective, we don't see much as far as gains," said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. "We're looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain — how Iraq's looking."

...Shouts of "hooah!" from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, "We're in this fight to win. These colors don't run," the only sound was a lone whistle.
Anyone else remember when the guys on the ground thought everything was just peachy?

7 Comments:

Blogger california_reality_check said...

I can tell you the Marines from the 1st MEF have no sense of humor about all this crap. They are doing their job and giving their lives while the chimp is shredding our Constitution.

2:26 PM  
Blogger Rocky Smith said...

You should try talking to some of the troopers I have talked to. I have five nephews in the service. I have talked with them and several of their buddies who serve with them. They would tell you many stories of good things happening and reasonable progress being made. I doubt you or most other lefties would want any good news getting out to be seen though. That would clash with your agenda. How about that fairly peaceful election last week with 11 millon voters- including Sunnis? Haven't you lefties found a way to bastardize those results yet? I'm sure you'll look for a way to do it, even if you're not successful. Thank God you're not in charge. Oops! Maybe I shouldn't have used the "G" word. I forget you guys are offended by it. Oh well.

3:42 PM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...

Um, I have no problem being happy for the Iraqis who voted. I wish them the best. Now when you bring back to life all the people who died for Bush's bullshit war, I'll support the war 100%.

Oh. And I want a pony, too.

You and your president have no concept of what it means to be true to your principles, Rocky. Christ died for his and asked us to stand up for ours. Yours seem to sway in the political wind. Where's your small government conservatism in the face of the news that Bush is wiping his ass with the Constitution.-

4:47 PM  
Blogger california_reality_check said...

Sure, I have no doubt there is SOME good news as long as we are there being killed. Murtha said "What do you expect them to say?" They are fighting for their lives. You know what? I respect your opinion. It is, well, slanted but hey no problem for me. I know from where you come. Here is the deal - impeach the Commander in Chief so he can't declair another war on say Syria or Iran or I don't know Albania. He is mentally unstable. He...is...insane.

4:51 PM  
Blogger Philo said...

This quote really shows that Bush and Cheney should just stop forcing troops to attend their political rallies. Like the war or not, Cheney has no business answering thoughtful questions from servicemen with trite political one-liners and partisan laugh lines. At least Cheney had the dignity to not dress up like a soldier this time.

6:10 PM  
Blogger Oxford said...

Shiites Lead Iraq's Parliamentary Election
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Preliminary election returns Monday showed Iraqi voters divided along ethnic and religious lines with a commanding lead held by the religious Shiite coalition that dominates the current government ( this is the faction that is aligned with Iran. Bush is in fact relying on Islamic fundamentalists to stabalize the government.)

An Iraqi lawyer said at least 24 top former officials in
Saddam Hussein's regime were freed from jail without charges. They included biological and chemical weapons experts known as "Dr. Germ" and "Mrs. Anthrax."( I'll leave it to others to decide if this progress or not)

Violent demonstrations also broke out across Iraq and the oil minister threatened to resign after the government raised the prices of gasoline and cooking fuel by up to nine times. And a militant group released a video of the purported killing of an American hostage. Electricity generation is still below that when Saddam was in power..despite the tremendous efforts and sacrifice of the boots on the ground.

My problem with Bush, among many is that he's lousy at fighting terrorism. Getting at terrorism requires fine incisions not a seldge hammer. Bush keeps saying and his apologists don't seem to have a problem with calling Iraq the front in the war on terror. Iraq wasn't even on the CIA terrorist watch list in 2003. Iraq is a terrible place to start the socalled spread of democracy, the only thing that has united them is a common desire to get us out. 60% think they were better off under Saddam, maybe crazy but thats what they think. Its not just the different religious factions at odds, its the tribal loyalties within those religions. Bush put our troops in the middle of a hornets nests for what appears to be a boatload of lies. Who wants to be the last Marine to die for a lie. The 30 to 50 thousand Iraqis that suffered under Saddam, but were killed under Bush and will never know democracy.
Many of the troops believe in the mission, good for them, God bless them. While many of the troops have little respect for Bush or Rummy, God bless them too. Troops are not popped out of a mold, all believing and thinking the same thing, regardless of their personal politics I wish them all to safely return to America and their families. Liberals' beef isn't with the troops, its with the policies of the incompetent zealot in the Whitehouse who is no commander-in-chief, he just plays one on carrier decks.

4:15 AM  
Blogger california_reality_check said...

Just a few comments from some folks on the ground in Iraq.

"My marines are the best-trained, best-equipped, most homesick fighting force in the world," said Staff Sgt. Cornelius Woods. "Just give us the order, and we will commandeer every available vehicle to execute a flanking maneuver on the airstrips of Mosul. By this time tomorrow, we will have retaken our positions at our families' dinner tables in full force."

In a striking rebuke of the assertions of the Pentagon and the White House that a swift exit is neither practical nor possible, soldiers of varying rank have outlined a straightforward plan of immediate disengagement, dubbed "Operation Screw This."

"We kicked around several withdrawal scenarios in our barracks, but ultimately settled on the idea of getting out of here as soon as possible," said Maj. Brian Garcia, who is on his third tour of duty in Iraq.

Supporters of the Iraq war say the reconstruction of politically and economically devastated Iraq will take decades, and the gradual process of departure will begin only after a lengthy occupation.

"I'm familiar with the 'years of occupation to facilitate reconstruction' theory," said Army Spc. Megan Beaulieu. "However, virtually every soldier I know—including myself—gives more credence to the successful Dutch and Spanish approach of 'we've done all we can here, let's move out.'"

She added: "Apache helicopters could rendezvous with us in Fallujah. If we left our supplies behind, we could be out of here in 15 minutes."

"I served in South Korea and Germany," said Capt. Barry Graves of the Maryland National Guard, a Vietnam veteran who at 57 was called back into service last year. "I still carry shrapnel in my leg from Khe Sanh. Is it time to go home yet?"

A recent ABC News poll found that the American people are split on the exit strategy. A University of Baghdad survey, however, finds that the exit strategy has the support of approximately 99.3 percent of the Iraqi population.

Pfc. Barbara Terland expressed the sentiment of many soldiers and Iraqis. "If the real reason we're here is to let the Iraqis run their own country, I have the perfect solution: my ass on a plane to St. Louis."

Inspired by the unilateral policies of the White House, Pfc. David Wareham has concocted a unilateral strategy of his own.

"My exit strategy is beautiful in its simplicity," Wareham said. "It involves me personally getting out of here the first chance I get. If I do that, I just might get back to my son, who is a year old and who I have never even met. If that doesn't work, I'll revert to Plan B, which is to retreat into complete insanity."

U.S. Army Chief Of Staff Peter J. Schoomaker said he and the commander-in-chief are analyzing the situation and devising the best possible way to get the troops home safely.

"If the chief of staff is truly interested in ideas about exiting from Iraq," Pfc. Terland said, "I think that it would be a great idea to debate it openly. Why don't we fly home to Washington so we can discuss it together over a cup of coffee?"

11:35 AM  

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