Thursday, December 14, 2006

It was a very good year for "moral relativism"

A year's worth of Jonah Goldberg's views of moral relativism.

May 2006: The month in which Jonah thought moral relativism is bad.
Another point which might be worth mentioning is that while Matt (Yglesias) ostensibly rejects the notion that there is an objective, external, thing called "good" or "evil" he clearly accepts "better" and "worse" as real things outside his own private worldview. It's always seemed a dodge to me to deny objective moral reality, while at the same time clinging to notions of better and worse. What do better and worse point to if not the good and the bad?
September 2006: The month in which Jonah Goldberg thought moral relativism meant the exact opposite of what it means.
Comparing CIA facilities to Stalin's gulag may sound righteous, but it is a species of the same moral relativism that denounces all pushers of old ladies equally.
December 2006: The month in which Jonah Goldberg decided moral relativism was fine by him.
Gen. Pinochet seized a country coming apart at the seams. He too clamped down on civil liberties and the press. He too dispatched souls. Chile's official commission investigating his dictatorship found that Pinochet had 3,197 bodies in his column; 87% of them died in the two-week mini-civil war that attended his coup. Many more were tortured or forced to flee the country.

But on the plus side, Pinochet's abuses helped create a civil society.
And now he thinks of his life as vintage whine...

15 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And thanks to Hitler's attempt at exterminating European Jewry, the AIPAC wouldn't exist.

9:38 AM  
Blogger ntodd said...

Hitler did help Germans feel better about themselves for a while. Not unlike Reagan during the "Morning in America" era. And Saddam prevented sectarian violence from spreading in Iraq.

It's all good.

9:50 AM  
Blogger Qlipoth said...

In your second example Jonah clearly meant to say "moral equivalence". Which reminds me of this classic post:

Moral Relativism. Aka historicism. The denial of any unified, objective standard of value. The diametric opposite of Moral Equivalence (q.v.).

Moral Equivalence. Judgment of the United States government by the same unified, objective standard of value as the governments of other countries. The diametric opposite of Moral Relativism (q.v.).

Moral Clarity. The Zen-like state of mind from which it is possible accuse the same political enemy, simultaneously, of both Moral Relativism and Moral Equivalence.

9:57 AM  
Blogger Notorious P.A.T. said...

But on the plus side, Pinochet's abuses helped create a civil society.

Of course! B followed A, therefore A definitely caused B. What a mental giant we are dealing with here.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But on the plus side, Pinochet's abuses helped create a civil society.

Mostly because the people Pinochet and his goons considered "uncivil" were imprisoned, tortured, and murdered.

10:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, if you want to make a delicious omlette, you need to kidnap, torture, murder and bury-in-an-unmarked-grave a few eggs.

11:29 AM  
Blogger fasteddie said...

Jonah is now calling for Iraq to have a Brutal dictator, when he and his wingnut pals all said we needed to invade Iraq because they have a brutal dictator (at the same time ignoring our brutal dictator "allies" in Pakistan and Uzbekistan). I believe his picture is featured in the dictionary next to the word "hypocricy" (also next to the word "pantload", but I digress )

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Jonah Pantload said...

It seems that there are some smart guys accusing me of not knowing what "moral relativism" means. Anyone want to take a look in the dictionary or a (conservative) philosophy text and get back with me? I'm kinda busy with this doughnut at the moment...

11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Moral relativism? Sounds more like "moral relativistic dramatic irony" to me.

1:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is what happens when your style of argument consists of taking one or more slogans, swapping out the buzzwords, and then presenting the mess as a new idea. Not everything meshes.

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1:48 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

"He too dispatched souls"

That's a hell of a euphemism. It is as if he sent the souls merrily on their way. "Oh here soul, just leave that heavy ol' body in this mass grave here and carry on. Cheerio!"

2:29 PM  
Anonymous pres said...

Dan's comment, I think, has caught the absolute drepavity of someone who has no personal idea of discomfort let alone suffering. It's remote; not unlike sending more troops to die and to kill. Pieces on a board, dispatching and being dispatched in turn. Yawn. Who's on Hannity tonight?

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Jonah The Whale said...

HEY FARTMAN SHUT UP I KNOW WHAT im TALKIN BOUT

5:48 PM  
Blogger Kevin Carson said...

Thanks for the link, Qipoth.

BTW, does anyone else have trouble watching that blowjob scene in Pink Flamingos without thinking of Jonah and Lucianne? "This (glorp) is the greatest gift (slobber) a mother can give her son!"

12:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I read this and thought about posting on it, but Goldberg isn't worth the lost time anymore. I guess in his world it's alright to be a murderous, brutal dictator, so long as he believes in the free market.

2:41 PM  

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