Monday, January 29, 2007

Traitor

I'm no fan of John McCain, but I wonder if any of the National Reviewers were as disgusted as I was to hear one of their National Review Institute Conservative Summit attendees call the senator a "traitor" on NPR this morning. McCain is, after all, the only Republican candidate with any military experience and, considering the glee with which the right (including McCain) uses the one nut who sent in a "Bush=Hitler" ad to Move On's ad contest to smear the entire organization, I think the National Review Institute should have to respond to this statement. Do they believe that John McCain is a traitor?

25 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe he is a traitor... and slightly insane.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous LittlePig said...

I found that comment disturbing as well. I will grant the person that said it the benefit of the doubt, since the subject could just as easily have been the Republican Party rather than the country, which harkened back to Digby's observation that "conservatism", like Communism, cannot fail but can only BE failed. It was a vicious comment none the less. (The same fellow referring to the President as 'Dubya' also grated on my nerves. It's not a damn football game after all.)

8:13 AM  
Blogger Fred Dodsworth said...

Let's see, a traitor is someone who sells out their country (and their country's military) for personal profit (as in wingnut support for his 2008 presidential run).
Yep, that fits.

8:17 AM  
Anonymous James said...

What really disturbed me was that he described himself as a "Limbaugh Republican." What the hell is that, a pill popping racist freak?

8:20 AM  
Anonymous dan mcenrpe said...

he described himself as a "Limbaugh Republican." What the hell is that, a pill popping racist freak?

no, an impotent pill popping racist freak.

get it straight.

8:24 AM  
Anonymous KGW said...

Calling a person who compares Bush and Hitler a nut is unfair. It is also an appeasement of the Bush administration, which, in this country of free speech, has ruled such comparisons verbotten. Bush is a dictator, though which one he most closely mirrors is certainly up for debate. The facts - a war of aggression, followed by the chargeless detention and murder of innocents - underlie the comparisons.

8:25 AM  
Blogger PSoTD said...

get it straight.

But Limbaugh Republicans can't do this.

8:27 AM  
Anonymous KCinDC said...

I heard it too, but I think from context he was referring to McCain as a traitor to the Republican Party, not actually accusing him of treason. I've seen (and possibly made) similar comments about Lieberman and the Democrats.

8:31 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Chuck Hagel is another Republican candidate with military experience.

8:56 AM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...

kcindc: I think from context he was referring to McCain as a traitor to the Republican Party, not actually accusing him of treason.

You give the righties too much credit. Using the Google, you'll find many right wingers who say that McCain's feeble attempts to oppose Bush and his push to (ostensibly, but not actually) prevent the use of torture by U.S. citizens is the same as lending "aid and comfort to the enemy," the very definition of treason.

9:04 AM  
Anonymous KCinDC said...

I'm not claiming that no right-wingers have ever accused McCain of treason, just that that particular use of "traitor" didn't sound like it to me. If all uses of the word "traitor" are accusations of treason, then there are a hell of a lot of people of all political stripes, plus completely nonpolitical people, calling for hangings.

9:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"McCain is, after all, the only Republican candidate with any military experience"

Yeah, but the great achievment of that experience was getting shot down. I think it says something when your party's most respected voice on military matters has total failure as the big bullet point on his resume.

At least he was a good follower of Kerry for the POW/MIA commission.

Good military leaders are Democrats.

-Mysticdog

9:10 AM  
Blogger J. said...

I have to agree with kcindc, I believe the comment was that McCain was "a traitor to the conservative cause." The commenter continued to elaborate, saying that McCain had "backstabbed" W. repeatedly over the past six years. It was then that I realized that this meeting had been held in an alternative dimension where the events that had taken place in their mind was opposite from what had actually occurred here.

9:18 AM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...

Y'all make the call:

MARA LIASSON: Damien Harvey says he's ruled out one of the early frontrunners already. Harvey, who calls himself a "Limbaugh conservative," says he could never vote for John McCain.

DAMIEN HARVEY: He's a traitor and I can't stand him and I watched for the last six years him stick a knife in Dubya's back and then slowly twist it on a lot of different issues.


It's those two ands which stand out for me as being very different than a because. However, reasonable people can disagree. Peace.

9:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You realize that none of the Democrat candidates have any military experience don't you?

9:52 AM  
Blogger Nitpicker said...

Anonymouse,

Well, if Clark runs (and I hope he does), his military experience would be considerably greater than that of the current grounded pilot/postal officer in the White House. However, my point is only that Republicans are specifically calling their only candidate with military experience a traitor. I'm not saying that military experience is a requirement for the office.

10:12 AM  
Blogger Rich said...

anon,

Your syntax is off, it's Democratic. The anti-intellectualism of the right. Ugh.

btw, Kerry had military experience, and Bush's surrogates used it to smear him.

Now the right is smearing yet another Vietnam veteran.

Why do so many conservatives hate the military?

10:34 AM  
Anonymous Helena Montana said...

you mean Bush DOESN'T equal Hitler?

11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Nose Picker,

I know what your point and you are right. I was just making you aware that there are not any declared democrats with military experience and so just you know if Clark runs he won't win the nomination.

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your vast left-wing conspiracy website is sabotaging my comments

Revised:

I know what your point was and you are right. I was just making you aware that there are not any declared democrats with military experience. Just so you know if Clark runs he won't win the nomination.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Duncan Hunter announced his official candidacy on January 25 and served with the 173rd Airborne.

Perhaps pointing how that McCain was tortured in service of his country is a contradiction to any charges of "treason" by some loser conservative at the NRI Summit on the "State of Conservatism." (Which, if you watched on C-SPAN at all, was nothing more than liberalism bashing. Conservatism is founded on the hatred of liberals/liberalism rather than any constructive reason.)

2:21 PM  
Blogger Fixer said...

McCain's an idiot, I've lost all respect for him, and I certainly think something went wrong with him during his stay in Hanoi, but a traitor, never. He has no place in the White House

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's remarkable that someone with no principals could have withstood so much torture.

But not nearly as remarkable as his recent physical and moral transformation into the golem from Lord of the Rings. That's just one of those spooky things that makes me suspect the last 7 years have been a bad dream. Do dreams last 7 years? Maybe I'm just dead. Is anybody else here dead?

If this is just a collective nightmare, please please please, let's not imagine him naked. (Are you listening, Sully?)

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't trust someone that spent 7 years in a cage... just sayin'

6:02 PM  
Anonymous clarke said...

Actually, anonymous 6:02, you kinda can. It's the guys who run their mouths under duress that you can't trust (full disclosure: I believe I could maintain my honor under torture. My untested self-assessment and a buck fifty will get you a bran muffin).

I do think McCain's a traitor, but only to his own ideals, and he's certainly free to sell himself out if that's his bag.

Oh, and best SNL host ever. Can't take that away from him.

7:13 PM  

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