Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Apparently, I'm not a Christian

So says Joe Carter, who says that, when Obama calls Christ a "bridge between God and man," he's gotten it wrong.
This is, of course, exactly wrong. Jesus is not merely a "bridge" between God and man, Jesus is both fully-human and fully divine. Obama’s statement is more akin to something his role model Gandhi would say, rather than the claim made by an orthodox believer.
Carter doesn't really ask about whether or not a single interview might be the best way to judge a person's beliefs, but instead says that the creeds--Nicene and or Apostolic--are that which define a Christian. One could argue with that (I won't), but Carter has no way of knowing if Obama professes his faith in one of these ways.

I will point out though that, were one to take a single utterance such as this and say someone doesn't qualify as a Christian, well, then St. Paul isn't a Christian, either.
"For there is one God. There is also one mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human, who gave himself as ransom for all." - 1 Timothy 2:5-6 (NAB)

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." - 1 Timothy 2:5-6 (KJV)
Of course Paul doesn't deny Christ's divinity by saying this, but Carter seems to demand that Obama be a clearer, more concise apostle for Christ than the even the apostles themselves. Odd that, when called on his claims, Carter chooses to defend his claim against Obama's faith by writing that he's obviously right about Obama because "we have been given communication "from a Christian God" — it’s called the Bible."

I guess he means "the Bible (except for the parts which would make Obama seem to have a point)."

I would point Carter to two of my favorite verses which might clear up at least his role in whether or not he ought to be trying to figure out whether Obama's really a Christian.
"Do not speak evil of one another, brothers. Whoever speaks evil of a brother or judges his brother speaks evil of the law and judges the law. If you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?" - James 4:11-12 (NAB)
Who, indeed, does Joe Carter think he is?

Update: And, if he's going to be the new arbiter who judges which of us are sacred and which profane, then Carter should have to answer Daniel Larison's implied question, "Is Romney Christian or is he not?"

Larison himself, though, writes this, with which I take some exception:
In a polemical reading of Obama’s statement concerning Christ, you might be able to make out a kind of semi-Arianism; on the other hand, his statement about Christ serving as a “bridge” might be a rather sloppy way of saying that He is Mediator and Redeemer. If he were semi-Arian in his theology, would we credit semi-Arians with the label of Christian?
I think it's worth pointing out that what Larison calls "Arianism" is now part of Catholic doctrine.
In His goodness and wisdom God chose to reveal Himself and to make known to us the hidden purpose of His will (see Eph. 1:9) by which through Christ, the Word made flesh, man might in the Holy Spirit have access to the Father and come to share in the divine nature (see Eph. 2:18; 2 Peter 1:4). Through this revelation, therefore, the invisible God (see Col. 1;15, 1 Tim. 1:17) out of the abundance of His love speaks to men as friends (see Ex. 33:11; John 15:14-15) and lives among them (see Bar. 3:38), so that He may invite and take them into fellowship with Himself. This plan of revelation is realized by deeds and words having in inner unity: the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation manifest and confirm the teaching and realities signified by the words, while the words proclaim the deeds and clarify the mystery contained in them. By this revelation then, the deepest truth about God and the salvation of man shines out for our sake in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation.
This is reinforced in the Cathechism's discussion of the Profession of Faith.

1 Comments:

Anonymous Joe Blow said...

whoa...wierd religious dogma type stuff....

Well I think Obammy is a Gnostic because I saw him eating Gnochis.

heh heh.. that and apparently it was all a head fake on the religion and he now vows NEVER to go to a service again! yeah!

I was also studying "Dune" for some insight into his religious heritage....

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